Comments on: Religion and Extremism

By: Oscar

Oscar — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 03:36:24 +0000

Rishi… I better not get a B on the the next Drug Action test… I don’t want to hex you…lol

And where is the Forum?

By: Rishi

Rishi — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 03:26:26 +0000

Just as a disclaimer: You cannot hold me responsible for any damage to your GPA.

By: Oscar

Oscar — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 03:24:42 +0000

Yes, we can alI learn from each other. Rishi is a master tactician, he already knew this blog was going to get debate. I was prompted me to read and be informed about the Quran was because I know it is a peaceful religion and was wondering why super-extremists were engaging in terrorism, and promoting Jihad, using it as a means to an end. I don’t believe that people should stereotype followers of Islam with those type of extremists. I like to learn about everything, which results in me not focusing on some science classes! It’s Rishi’s fault… =)

By: Rizwana

Rizwana — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 02:44:50 +0000

Its okay Oscar! Reading all the posts here has enlightened me alot! I now see from your point of view, and hopefully you mine!

Ignorance is ok as long as it helps to educate. And I think we all are ignorant, and life is about learning!

Wow, you’re reading the quran? Thats nice to hear. What prompted you to do this?

Fyfy, I think you should go for a PhD, or Journalism! Seriously!

By: Oscar

Oscar — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 01:51:08 +0000

I am sorry if I offended you Rizwana. I can be very ignorant on many subjects. Religion usually not being one of them. I am actually reading the Qu Ran on and off. Like I did for the whole Bible, so when I am confronted with people that know it, I know what is in it and what is not and can talk about it. And I was not singling out your religion, I was talking as a whole. LOL. Science vs. religion? Well, it’s a tie. Neither can knock the other out, and working together, both can lead to great stuff.

(Really, I am reading it) =)

By: fyfy vay

fyfy vay — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 01:12:43 +0000

This will be my last comment on this topic. There is evidence to science. You can see mitosis and meosis happening. That is why science is taught base of theories. And you must have evidence to back it up those theories, otherwise your theory will be invalid. You learn that in senior seminar. Religion is NOT base on facts, but on belief. Belief is trusting with all of your heart and soul, even when you do not have the fact to back it up. That is the WHOLE point of religion. No one can see God, Jesus, Yahew, or Allah, but if you ask them if they can feel their God’s presence in their daily life, they say YES. I don’t see the point in insulting religious people as long as they do not attack you. Even then you attack them, not their religion. Basically you should not blame God for the action of man. Man are responsible for his own action, not God. We, as human tend to bIame man’s action on God, instead of the man himself. I had nothing against religion. Hey if a man wish to worship Zeus or Ra, it is fine with me. Religion suppose to give us hope. If you take away religion you take away hope, without hope there is no point of living.

P.S . science also proven science to be wrong People once though the atom was the smallest particle, until they discover proton and neutron. I could go on, and on. Truth to said nothing is actually facts on this earth. It is all theories. Paradigm shift is the word.

By: Rizwana

Rizwana — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 00:18:13 +0000

Here’s a topic…

Science vs. Religion..

Now as the saying goes “science and religion don’t mix”

but as rishi stated in his blog…you can only trace science back to a certain point..beyond that you have to agree theres a God…

My thought is…Science and Religion do mix..

God created Religion, God created Science..

God made man. Man makes man.

Someone must have started the cycle…therefore science ultimately turns into Religion..

What say you Rishi?

New Blog idea?

By: Rizwana

Rizwana — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 00:10:29 +0000

Oscar, you new post was less offending than the last..

For you to say “its just a tradition and people take it so seriously” IS offending and IS ignorant…

Yes, you are entitled to your own beliefs, but once again, to what it seems you have ONLY been exposed to Christianity..keep it at that…

I wouldn’t try to analyze jews, christians or hindus, etc..because I havent been exposed to their beliefs or holy books…

so for you to make comments about Christianity is FINE..you KNOW enough about it..

but to include toher religions, about which you know nothing is simple ignorance..

UNDERSTANDING and AGREEING are two different concepts..

I HOPE after this blog you now know.. “oh muslims dont eat pig because the quran commands so”

that doesnt mean you have to agree with it, but you should know the reason is not “tradition” lol..that was a very poor choice of a word…

“tradition” is created by MAN.. i.e. thanksgiving, halloween, wearing a white dress at a wedding….these are TRADITIONS..

and to say “people take it so seriously” was also ignorant…

Fyfy and I didnt “jump” on your back ridiculing your thoughts..your not religious…ok, your problem..

but it seemed you were ridiculing those who are religious…

By: Oscar

Oscar — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:07:49 +0000

Indeed sir, you have posted a controversial topic. Something that I find amusing, and you might also, is that in each person’s mind, they are “right”. Or that their perspective of life is the “correct” one. Indeed, everyone is right, and at the same time… everyone is wrong. If people go through life based on the Bible the Koran that is their wish, anyone is entitled to it. However, that doesn’t mean my perspective is flawed. I do not consider a book “holy” in the divine sense, because it was written by man. Of course, there is that defense mechanism by world religions, in that they were written by men “inspired” by THE God or the Holy Spirit. To this I say prove it…and all of a sudden, we can’t. Just like science cannot disprove the existence of God. So we are back to square one. How can we consider something VERITAS like religion if we are basing of a system of beliefs on scriptures that were first passed down orally for centuries before someone finally sat down to write them? Early scribes changed things, the early church omitted things, but here we are in these times willing to believe every character in these holy books as absolute truth. Tell a long joke, let it circulate the known world for hundreds of years and at the end, the joke you started with will be completely different. Is it really from the mouth of the Almighty that we cannot eat certain meats, or did a mere man just write that out of his imagination? We don’t know. Consider this thought experiment: What if I were to write a “religious” book, and go to an inhabited island where the people there have been untouched by modern civilization. If I were to try to preach to these people they would initially be reluctant, as they would very likely have their own god (s) already. However, if I were a good missionary and spread my word to these people on the island along with some help from other missionaries (especially if I were to threaten them with death as it was the case in many places for the other holy books) then it would catch on and spread, and the people would accept my book as “truth”. Of course, for it to work, my book will have to offer hope and promise peace, and instill a fear of condemnation in hell if they do not follow it. Does this make me Moses or like the other prophets? Well, yes and no. I started my own religion and people believe it (of course, I would never do it! Lol). I respect and like holy books but all I take from them is the interesting stories and the neat philosophy. Things haven’t differed from the past. If we were in ancient Greece, we would pray to Zeus and the other Olympian gods, and would do it zealously. Of course, this religion was eventually overthrown, and replaced. What is not to say that in a couple of thousand years humankind will not use other religions?

That is my perspective. To some I may be ever so wrong, but like I said, it is all a matter of perception. I do not believe in insulting anyone based on their beliefs. To me, that is plain ignorance. However, nobody can tell me I am wrong, or I tell you that you are wrong. All I have done is explain my point of view in an easy way to be understood. To people who are religiously devoted, I may evoke a sense of pity. “Poor kiddo” or I am so “wrong”. And that is what makes for interesting debates. Am I wrong? Am I right? Am I in between? I HAVE been exposed to scripture; I see flaws, because my nature is to question everything. Question everything and you will get places (Please don’t ban me, Rishi. Lol).

By: Rizwana

Rizwana — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 07:09:56 +0000

Hear hear! I really did enjoy this note and its comments tremendously..(Some more than others )

Fyfy, i really like the quote you put up.

And I agree with Rishi when he says its about learning.

Strong convictions and beliefs whether pro or anti, should be a product of knowledge, not ignorance.

Know both sides, and than make a decision…

Rishi, you should write controversial posts just for the fun of it!